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Hi Everyone -- This is Mickey!

triplesmickeyThreads: 2 Posts: 58 Author: Trung Mickey	May 15, 2010, 09:53pm #1
Yup, hi everyone! I'm Mickey. I'm from Vietnam, by the way (so English is not my first language). I'm joining this forum, hoping that my writing can get better and better, and that I can make new friends. So, this is my Gmail: madnsx@gmail.com - my Y! ID: adm.vpark - my Hotmail (although I am not using MSN often these days): t.m.aluzu@hotmail.com Add me if you feel like it. P.s. If you are Kevin, add me, will you? Have some really bothersome questions to ask (lmao, about the contributor kind of thing).

ngcanhThreads: 2 Posts: 14 Author: Canh Nguyen Ngoc	May 16, 2010, 02:04am #2
Hey guy, your english skill is excellent. Let contribute to this forum more, it is valuable.

triplesmickeyThreads: 2 Posts: 58 Author: Trung Mickey	May 16, 2010, 02:35am #3
Thanks, and yes, I am intending to do just that

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	May 17, 2010, 02:33pm #4
Hi Mickey, I'm glad you joined EF! What are your bothersome questions? Let's discuss them, and they will probably benefit lots of people who read this thread in the future. :-)

Smira RobertsThreads: 4 Posts: 22 Author: Smira Roberts	May 17, 2010, 03:03pm #5
I'm Smira...I WAS new...but its nic to meet you

triplesmickeyThreads: 2 Posts: 58 Author: Trung Mickey	May 18, 2010, 05:30am #6
Hi Smira, thanks. It is nice to meet you, too. And Kevin, as I have said, here are some questions-- (1) How do contributors become contributors? (except for, ugh, you know, the contacting thingy) (2) Do contributors get to opine about the forum to the administrator(s)? (3) What rights do moderators in this forum have? (deleting, editing others' posts, blah blah blah kind of things) And I do not know if your particular area is summoned in this question, but ugh, it is about archaic English. In the following sentence, "My son, thou hast my leave for to enter this honorable contest, and I do hope that God will give you a great deal of strength, and likewise that grace of spirit that you mayst achieve honor to thyself and credit to us who are of thy blood..." (I own no rights to this very text), "for to enter" (for to do) is a rather strange phrase. I do not know if its use is wide now, but I am asking, that in archaic use, what does it really mean?

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	May 19, 2010, 01:12pm #7
triplesmickey: How do contributors become contributors? (except for, ugh, you know, the contacting thingy) All the necessary info is here http://www.essayforum.com/ef-contributor-page/ Some people think they cannot be contributors unless they are knowledgeable, good at English, etc., but that is not true. People can learn so fast if they study the work of Dianna hacker, Strunk and White, and people in this forum. triplesmickey: Do contributors get to opine about the forum to the administrator(s) Anyone can! Just start a thread in the appropriate category... maybe in "FAQ and Help" triplesmickey: What rights do moderators in this forum have? (deleting, editing others' posts, blah blah blah kind of things) I am all powerful. :-) hahah just kidding. I have to follow the rules in the TOC as well as whatever new rules are developed as we try to ensure that this site will continue to benefit not only the current participants but also future visitors who can learn from each thread.

meisj0nThreads: 9 Posts: 360 Author: Jonathan Hsu 2	May 22, 2010, 10:48pm #8
Hey Mickey, Would love to have you as a co-contributor :] You write really well, and I like how you spend a lot of time helping people here. Since Kevin didn't answer your Q, I'll try to pitch in~ triplesmickey: And I do not know if your particular area is summoned in this question, but ugh, it is about archaic English. In the following sentence, "My son, thou hast my leave for to enter this honorable contest, and I do hope that God will give you a great deal of strength, and likewise that grace of spirit that you mayst achieve honor to thyself and credit to us who are of thy blood..." (I own no rights to this very text), "for to enter" (for to do) is a rather strange phrase. I do not know if its use is wide now, but I am asking, that in archaic use, what does it really mean? When I read the "for to enter" part, I thought you had made a typo, but I guess not. In context, all I can figure is that the son has the father's permission to enter the contest. So, "for to enter" might mean it's a typo:? haha. I was expecting something like "thou hast my leave to enter" or thou has my leave for thee to enter". But if it REALLY is supposed to be "for to enter", I've no clue. "For to enter" could be used as a conditional introduction to a sentence, like "for to enter the gates of hell would be a crazy idea." Cheers~ Welcome to EF

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	May 24, 2010, 02:30pm #9
Thanks Jon, I don't know how I missed that question. Mickey, ha ha, I don't know about Old English. This is the first time someone asked for grammar help with Old English. It's funny to speculate, but I just don't know for sure. I have seen "for to [verb]" before, though, in old writing. It seems like it used to mean something like this: "My son, thou hast my leave for the purpose of entering this honorable contest...' But back then, I guess people used "for to" (instead of using what we call a "gerund," which is a noun form of a verb, usually involving "ing"). So, I give you leave for to write some essays. :-) Sorry I missed that part of your question, Mickey!

triplesmickeyThreads: 2 Posts: 58 Author: Trung Mickey	May 25, 2010, 12:54am #10
@Jonathan: Thanks Jonathan, for your answer. It wasn't a typo by the way--"for to" is quite common in Archaic--or as Kevin used it, Old--English. Anyway, I am looking straight forward to co-working (lmao, isn't everybody co-working here?) with you. @Kevin: Okay, first you didn't write anything, I thought that ugh, you neither noticed nor had the answer, which proved to be wrong anyhow. Yeah, I thought so--what you have written. But I have not the time to check, so probably I would ship an Archaic English Grammar Book from eBay. I'm studying a lot of these now, so it is kind of strange. Thanks.

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	May 26, 2010, 11:38am #11
Pretty cool... I spent a lot of time studying the books by Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming about Qigong, and he talks about how he has to translate ancient Chinese documents. He complains that it is difficult, because it is just like if someone who speaks 21st century English tries to translate old forms of it....so if we want to know what the old qigong masters were trying to say, we need to study old Chinese, which is as different from modern Chinese as Old English is from modern English. When you master Old English, you'll be able to understand old texts without having to depend on someone else's interpretation, which is also pretty cool.

AzeriThreads: 10 Posts: 207 Author: H.B.Sadikhova	Jul 16, 2010, 01:52pm #12
Hi, Trung I faced with the same probem of understanding the Old Enflish, when I run into the work Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes. I don't know if this is relevant now, but I would like to suggest my version of interpretation of that archaic sentence. triplesmickey: "My son, thou hast my leave for to enter this honorable contest, and I do hope that God will give you a great deal of strength, and likewise that grace of spirit that you mayst achieve honor to thyself and credit to us who are of thy blood..." My son, you have my permission to join the honorable contest, and I do hope that God will give you a great deal of strength, and likewise that grace of spirit that you may achieve honor to yourself and credit to us who are of your blood. P.S you are providing very useful feedbacks, I everytime find something novel to learn from them. thanks.

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	Jul 19, 2010, 03:39pm #13
Yes, Leviathan is a tough one with the old english. That is what Sparknotes is for!

triplesmickeyThreads: 2 Posts: 58 Author: Trung Mickey	Jul 20, 2010, 05:14am #14
Pretty much everything I am learning is formal and archaic, likewise I am using practical English... Noticeably, I am starting to use formal sentences in life--pretty queer. Lately it has been really a sharp experience under which I have successfully sought the uttermost depth of archaic English. It took me months though--and I do believe that I have greatly meliorated since. Well, Kevin, it's quite good to see you still online when I am off--though I do hope I have been online more often. Working SO hard on my application form, pretty much my butt is but parched. Anyhow, I am working on that matter. Be online more this autumn I guess.

AzeriThreads: 10 Posts: 207 Author: H.B.Sadikhova	Jul 20, 2010, 05:18am #15
Hi, Kevin I've never heard about Sparknotes before, but after your advice I checked it out and found it mostly useful. What I disliked is that provision with brief overviews and interpretation of literary works may release some lazy students from reading and comprehending the work itself. :)

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	Jul 22, 2010, 10:11pm #16
Good luck, Trung! Azeri, I know what you mean. That is the way lazy students use sparknotes. Yet, I notice that they are very well-written! Sparknotes is high quality writing, and it made it possible for me to experience some of the books I have not actually read. (I guess I am a lazy student sometimes, too!). Anyway, when we are talking about old english, it is so helpful to read the Sparknotes and then go to the actual text with better understanding.

AzeriThreads: 10 Posts: 207 Author: H.B.Sadikhova	Jul 23, 2010, 01:00pm #17
EF_Kevin: Anyway, when we are talking about old english, it is so helpful to read the Sparknotes and then go to the actual text with better understanding. Kevin, for me, acquiantance with actual text in Archaic english without preliminary reading of short overviews is like solving conodrums, that I fond of. The more difficult is the text the more it is interesting to find what the author tried to convey. For example, I was sitting hours over Washington's Farewell Address trying to find a way among complicated sentence structures and uncommon to me words. Turning to be lazy sometimes I keep away from reading skillful overviews before going over the work itself. Also, I don't want to be influenced by Sparknotes authors' interpretation before I form my own opinon. :)

YayzThreads: 10 Posts: 179 Author: Maria Zilberman	Jul 25, 2010, 03:36pm #18
triplesmickey: Archaic--or as Kevin used it, Old--English. I'm just going to spontaneously put my two cents about Old English here... Shakespeare actually spoke/wrote in what we call "Modern English." Old English was the beginning of Modern English's metamorphosis. In fact, if you heard someone speaking Old English, it would sound like odd gibberish! The land from whence English comes from (England) was invaded a few times and the invaders mixed their languages with that of the native inhabitants. And so, Old English because Middle English and Middle English became Modern English. The kind of English we associate with Shakespeare is still comprehensible to a 21st century person and usually there are just a couple of phrases or words that need to be explained. Since we can read the original text of Hamlet and understand, at least, the plot without an all-out translation being necessary, it is all just one language. Change in language is natural--after all, Latin is considered "dead" because it is not undergoing little transformations like English is. o.O I know it isn't really a big deal, I just thought that someone out there in this big, digital world might find that interesting X )

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	Jul 26, 2010, 05:46pm #19
Yayz: Latin is considered "dead" because it is not undergoing little transformations like English is. Well, also because nobody uses it! :-) Yes, old english is indeed jiberish to me. It's interesting though. Hey Azeri, I totally hear you about not wanting to have them ruin it for you. If it's something you're interested in, that is terrible to have someone ruin it for you. Sparknotes has its place to help with "scaffolding," like... helping someone get familiar with a difficult reading. But if someone is good at language, they can have a rule like yours. It's a great challenge to never use sparknotes.

YayzThreads: 10 Posts: 179 Author: Maria Zilberman	Jul 26, 2010, 06:30pm #20
EF_Kevin: It's interesting though Definitely, my Englsih teacher played a tape of people speaking Old English and it sounded something like "Aeoiu aldewort ejui ouqix."--The sonorous beginnings that led to "Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well, he was a man of infinite jest." I didn't quote that very well but I can't remember the punctuation X ) I just really like that line...and the skull, the skull was cool XD EF_Kevin: nobody uses it That makes me sad, Latin is a great language. I try to use it when I can, though since I have only taken Latin I, I cannot really say much. There are people who are fluent in it though, and they use a version of Latin in the vatican. About sparknotes, I like to use it after I finish reading something. Mostly I like to check out the themes & symbolism (partly to see how well I did on picking it up!) but I think the biggest reason I like to use it is that, sometimes, when I finish a really good book I am sad that the experience is over so sparknotes is a sneaky way to keep that experience going for a bit longer. Sparknotes is a great scaffolding tool, even for people who use it out of laziness.

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	Jul 27, 2010, 02:54pm #21
Yayz: "Aeoiu aldewort ejui ouqix."-- Yep... I like this one: Poetae laudant amecitiam. --- sounds cool if you say it over and over. Also, I like "Legatusne vulnerabit amicum gladio longo?" That is all the Latin I remember. About Sparknotes, I am really impressed by the quality of the writing. Who does the writing for Sparknotes?! They are my heroes.

YayzThreads: 10 Posts: 179 Author: Maria Zilberman	Jul 27, 2010, 03:14pm #22
The poets praise...ah, cannot remember that last bit--or never learned it, not sure Would you be vulnerable to a friend's long sword? No >< Would the friend be vulnerable to a long sword? Ok, it is something about swords and friends! I think the first sentence I learned was "Puella agua portat" The girl carries the water. Incredibly simple so I remember it XD though it always stirkes me as "Puella agua portabat," which is the same thing except past tense...I suppose you can make it more complex by adding a preposition like "ad" and so on and so forth...I should have payed more attention X ) Anyway, I usually do not compose Latin but try to decipher the little phrases that authors have sometimes. Like Poe. Poe has quite a bit of Latin ^^ But, as you can see from my above efforts, the bests I can do is guess at a few words and try to come up with some logical phrasing. BUT, then I check the handy translation on the botton--and learn a word or two! =D (Hoo-ray for translations) EF_Kevin: really impressed by the quality of the writing Mhmm, it usually sounds like it could easily be from a typical high-quality analytical essay. EF_Kevin: Who does the writing An idea just occured to me, it may be a bit cynical: a group of people gather up essays on a specific work. A sufficiently intelligent person reads this information and summarizes it into Sparknotes' neat categories

AzeriThreads: 10 Posts: 207 Author: H.B.Sadikhova	Jul 28, 2010, 11:54am #23
EF_Kevin: About Sparknotes, I am really impressed by the quality of the writing. Who does the writing for Sparknotes?! They are my heroes. Kevin. I think the same. Besides having great writing skills, they conduct perfect analysis of the work. One of the reasons that prevent me from using Sparknotes is the disappointment I experience every time I read their overviews. Why cannot I write like this? :) Yayz: About sparknotes, I like to use it after I finish reading something.[/quote Yes, Sparknotes would be of great help after completing the original work itself so that the reader is able to compare his/her arguments to those Sparknotes' reviews. [quote=Yayz]I should have payed more attention I had Latin at high school, but don't remember much as well. It was not so difficult to learn, but the fact that I didn't practice it led to the total oblivion of the language. I plan to restart studying Latin; it would be a challenge, but ultimately it is fascinating to speak and understand a language great ancient works of literature and philosophy were written in.

YayzThreads: 10 Posts: 179 Author: Maria Zilberman	Jul 28, 2010, 12:29pm #24
Azeri: Why cannot I write like this Scaffolding. Sparknotes helps you reach their level by demonstrating a good analysis and writing style. We can all aspire to write they way Sparknotes does :-) Azeri: I plan to restart studying Latin; it would be a challenge, but ultimately it is fascinating to speak and understand a language great ancient works of literature and philosophy were written in. Yep, I agree. I also hope to go back to studying Latin, as well. I don't think that will be until much later though, I sadly don't have the time to devote to it right now X \|

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	Jul 28, 2010, 09:06pm #25
Poets praise friendship...Will the lieutenant wound his friend with the long sword? ha ha.... About Sparknotes: Even if a group of people collect essays and give them to one person to synthesize, it is still a big accomplishment. I just think it is high quality analysis every time, every impressive....

YayzThreads: 10 Posts: 179 Author: Maria Zilberman	Jul 30, 2010, 08:23pm #26
haha There we go. I think my knowledge of Latin amounts to a few random words =) EF_Kevin: it is still a big accomplishment That is a good point, it definitely is. Another thing I love about Sparknotes is that it has more than just literature stuff...it covers nearly every subject field! If you think the literary analysis (no idea what the plural of that word is...analyses? oO) are good, they have histroy, biology everything! And it is all in one place...that is just...wow...it's why I keep Sparknotes on my Favorites Bar. I don't mind sparknotes being a collection of different works, if anything, I think that adds to its validity.

broadThreads: 4 Posts: 16 Author: Yang, kuan	Aug 8, 2010, 11:30pm #27
hi, Mickey! When you reply my gre essay at first time, I really apprciate your valuable comments and careful feedback. I know a Vietnam guy who works at the Greman Pavilion at expo 2010 ,Shanghai when I was a volunteer, his English is as good as you.You are both very kind-hearted! Good luck!

triplesmickeyThreads: 2 Posts: 58 Author: Trung Mickey	Aug 9, 2010, 12:34am #28
broad: hi, Mickey! When you reply my gre essay at first time, I really apprciate your valuable comments and careful feedback. I know a Vietnam guy who works at the Greman Pavilion at expo 2010 ,Shanghai when I was a volunteer, his English is as good as you.You are both very kind-hearted! Good luck! Thanks for your compliments. Anyways as it hasn't been for long, Cheers me on my EF Contributor Rank...

EF_KevinThreads: 33 Posts: 14,204 Author: You can help a lot of people by visiting the "Unanswered" threads! [Moderator]	Aug 10, 2010, 12:12pm #29
Yes, cheers to you!

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